[personal profile] cblj_backup
Okay. Here goes nothing.

Let's preface this: I have been generally acclaimed The Internet's Cranky Old Man. You know that the things I say, I say with love. Vitriol, but love. It's a thing.

Reasons I Hate Twitter

Mandatory Explanation Paragraph:

Twitter, as if ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW, is a social networking site where your posts are limited to 140 characters. You can post for free from a computer or mobile phone. You get one icon, but you can customise the wallpaper behind your posts page if you wish. Twitter is extremely popular, and the newsmedia has an enormous erection for it, which is pretty predictable considering the newsmedia adores sound bites. You can have your "tweets" compiled daily into a single post and post them to your livejournal. If you do this, it is 99% likely I will judge you. (If you've done this, and you're still on my flist, you are exempt, but I've got my eye on you punks. :D )

Rest of the Rant:

There are many reasons people have given me as arguments for joining twitter and tweeting. It's instantaneous communication, it's useful when you don't want to write a livejournal post, it's a fun way to communicate with friends. You can follow celebrities and find out all the details of their daily lives. You can read and post from your phone!

Well, of course it's useful for short posts, because you have to short post. I can see the appeal, because being able to post whenever you feel like it without worrying that people will be pissed you made a 140-character LJ post feeds the Id. Thing is, I don't want to overfeed my Id, it isn't good for it. And I am less than uninterested in being an accessory to other people feeding theirs.

It's very seductive, the idea of posting thoughts as they occur to you, but it's also detrimental to reasoned debate, which is already becoming a lost art. It's easy to write a sentence and fling it out for the world to see. It's a little harder to be funny and pithy at the same time, but honestly...not that hard.

What Twitter discourages is the process of taking a single concept and expanding on it, or making an event in one's life into a story, or turning a question into a discussion.

Granted, sometimes I phone-post, but usually only when I am stuck somewhere or have undergone bodily harm, when there's an actual relatively urgent need to communicate. And even so it's not the same thing, because livejournal encourages and enables discussion. There is no threaded commenting on twitter, so if I open a discussion on a topic, there's no simple way to see people responding to each others' comments on my talking point. Nobody talks to each other -- I talk to the ether, and you talk back to me. This means that Twitter is not a discussion. Twitter is sentences. They're not the same thing. I think the recent mess with James Moran more than adequately proves this.

People have said that it's fun to follow celebrities on Twitter, and no doubt it is entertaining, but honestly I don't care. I don't read their blogs either. I am glad that they are successful entertainers and I am entertained by them when they perform, but I don't need to know that they had a great workout at the gym. It's irrelevant to me.

Twitter regiments all the joy out of writing. As an exercise, being pithy is fine; as a way of life, it's absurd. The reason we have so many words is so that we can communicate with depth and brilliance of meaning. I'm not interested in the concept of contextless communication, and I think twitter highly encourages passive-aggressive behaviour. It's very hard to tell a complete story in 140 characters and very easy to make a manipulative statement that forces people to pay attention to you, which rewards negative behaviour. Passive-aggression exists at all levels of digital interaction, but when using Twitter you have an ironclad excuse for demanding that people ask you about what you just said. You simply couldn't give them more context or clarify your statements! You only have 140 characters.

If I want to talk to my friends, I email them or I make a post on LJ, where I can write as much as I like and actually see peoples' comments and how they interact. While I don't agree with everything said in this article, and while it is addressing text-messages, I think the last few sentences at least make a fair point about the potential for miscommunication.

Also, and believe me I researched this thoroughly, apparently nobody's having twitter-sex. What kind of social platform doesn't facilitate cybersex?

(Really, this is it, and it's more about how you can follow porn stars on twitter. YAWN. I might write a story about actual Twitter sex later if I can be bothered.)

Now. ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I realised the other day that perhaps I was misreading Twitter's function as a communication tool. If we set aside my instinctive dislike of anything that limits interaction so rigidly, perhaps I'm applying my personal tastes to the general, which is a fallacy.

Essentially: just because I don't care what bar you're partying at doesn't mean you don't care when the last time I had a sandwich was.

Maybe people kept telling me to get a Twitter account because this stuff really does interest them. I don't hold up my personal taste as a gold standard; I don't like a lot of things that other people like, or that I ought to like, so this isn't sneering or snobbery. It simply never occurred to me that someone would care about this stuff.

So it's a wrongheaded assumption to make, that just because I don't like it nobody should, and I'm willing to admit when I'm wrongheaded. The corollary seems egotistical -- that people want to read the random trivia of my life -- but otherwise I can't figure out why people care so very much that I'm not tweeting.

Having got my dislike of Twitter off my chest, allow me to announce that I'm tweeting. OH WHATEVER STOP LAUGHING.

I do want to make a few things clear:

1. This is a broadcast account. I'm not following anyone on it. I can barely deal with the social politics of LJ, you guys!
2. Of the fifty-odd followers currently, only three were pre-informed: Foxy, Nick, and Simon, who talked/cajoled/shamed me into it. The rest found me randomly or through them.
3. I have been known to reply, but @ing me isn't a guarantee.
3a. Why yes, my icon is super awesome.

It will not be fed to my LJ page, because that's insanely annoying. But it's there, and having taken it out for a test spin in the past few weeks I appear to be able to make use of it on a regular basis. So if that's your bag, have fun. I don't get it, but I realised that I don't actually have to.

http://twitter.com/ouija_sam/
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Date: 2009-07-19 01:45 am (UTC)
florahart: (writing)
From: [personal profile] florahart
I have a twitter account. People follow it. This is LOLarious as I ain't GOT a cell, so I would only tweet from a computer where I might as well .........post. Oh, and I do follow accounts, but this is largely because there are accounts for things like IJ or Dreamwidth, where I can then find out if they have downtime without having to remember how to find them. Heh.

However, I would note that for you, you could choose to use it to preview your posts of hilariousness such as conversations with R, which are often in small segments anyway.

*nods*
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Date: 2009-07-19 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phaetonschariot.livejournal.com
haha I have a phone but I don't really go out of the house that much. Just to run errands and like... the supermarket and the vet are both five minutes walk away, I might as well wait til I get home. The petstore where I get litter is further away, and sometimes I go to the mall, but that's about it.

Date: 2009-07-19 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiderine.livejournal.com
Hmmmm... I disagree that Twitter is not a discussion medium. I have discussions on Twitter all day long; so do Foxy and Nick and C and a whole bunch of other people. But you have to *FOLLOW* people in order to see the discussion, Sam! In other words, as much as I adore you:

TWITTER: UR DOIN IT RONG.

(P.S. Also, there are twitter clients that let you see the discussions in threaded form.)
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Date: 2009-07-19 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
Perhaps I should have clarified my definition of discussion -- that's possibly a conversation, but even so the 140 characters thing highly limits the amount of information one can convey. I was thinking of discussion in terms of more than two people, and also in terms of something people can opt out of if uninterested. If I friended people? I'd have to read those discussions. Which while held by people I love dearly as friends, again, are not necessarily of interest to me. Just like I rarely read comments on posts.

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Date: 2009-07-19 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com
OH WHATEVER STOP LAUGHING.

Never. This joke will never get old.

Date: 2009-07-19 01:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thalia
It will not be fed to my LJ page

OH GOD THANK YOU!!!!!!! Worst feature ever.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
IDK, I've stopped seeing LoudTwitter posts even from the peeps on mah flist who *have* Twitter, so I suspect the system went down or was taken down...

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Date: 2009-07-19 01:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pocketmouse
Yeah, I use it half as a chat tool, since I can't have a chat program open at work, but have no problem using twitter at work.

Oh, and I'm one of those crazy people who feeds my twitter to LJ. I do that because there's no archive, and I kinda archive all my everything. I don't always post fic ideas there, but sometimes I do, or snippets, and I want to have a copy of what I was talking about. I cut tag it either way, so it's easy to skip if people don't want to read.
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Date: 2009-07-19 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phaetonschariot.livejournal.com
I hate twitter as well but I got an account basically so I can spam the internet with squee about my rabbit without feeling like my LJ or IJ are being filled with posts about how cute my rabbit is. The last several people who've started following me, I don't follow back, because when Twitter says "here's some information about this person" all they tell me is how many people they follow and how many people follow them. That tells me nothing. Basically, I post there to feel like I'm saying something, but to feel like I'm not rambling at people who don't actually care how cute my rabbit is or how amused I am by the tv I'm watching. And feeding it to LJ or IJ would just be counterproductive.

(Incidentally, my rabbit is being adorable RIGHT NOW.)

Date: 2009-07-19 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
LOL, I admire your adorable rabbit!

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Date: 2009-07-19 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lefaym.livejournal.com
I have been avoiding twitter. It is trying to seduce me, but I resist!

Date: 2009-07-19 01:58 am (UTC)
trinity_clare: (breaking news)
From: [personal profile] trinity_clare
In related news, LoudTwitter, the site responsible for posting most of those Twitter feeds on LJ, has been down for nearly a month. And there was much rejoicing.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kallaneboi.livejournal.com
Ah, I was wondering why I wasn't getting my daily dose of my f-list-breaking roommate's Twitter on LJ. B/c she tweets like a MANIAC.

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kallaneboi.livejournal.com
I have a Twitter (I just followed you, by the way. I'm Cages_or_Wings), although I didn't see the point of it at first. I mainly use it to post random thoughts, and if my friends care enough to want context, they'll text/e-mail/message/call/@ reply/wait til they see me. It's also slightly therapeutic for me since I can do a mini-rant about whatever's bothering me RIGHT THEN by just sending a text message.

Another reason I like it is because I found an application on Facebook that lets me import selected statuses from my Twitter, meaning I can update them both from my phone if I'm going to be away from the computer for more than a day.

Is Twitter limiting? Yes. Do I think it's slightly narcissistic that people think that other people want to know what's going on in their lives at every moment of every day? Definitely. But is it fun? Oh, yes :D

Date: 2009-07-19 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
I haven't found it particularly "fun", per se, but experimenting with it has been educational at least.

I tried the rant thing, but I found I had nothing to rant about....

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitkat204.livejournal.com
Reason I will not get a twitter account? The fact that the posts are referred to as "tweets." It just bothers me...

Date: 2009-07-19 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kallaneboi.livejournal.com
Well, I heard one person refer to them as "twits," although this may just support your argument...

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masterofmidgets.livejournal.com
I think the recent protests and violence in Iran are a good example of what Twitter can be at its best - in a situation where the media was/is very tightly controlled by the current regime, Twitter has been one of the best sources for first-hand information about what is actually happening on the ground there, what is going on at the protests, whether people are being arrested, whether they are being killed. It's a valuable source of information, albeit brief and fragmented information.

That being said, although I follow a handful of people (mostly politicans and reporters, a couple comic artists/writers) who I find witty and entertaining, I pretty much agree with all your points and I have zero interest in using Twitter at all. My life is not nearly interesting enough that people need updates on it every twenty minutes!

Date: 2009-07-19 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
Twitter was adequate at getting information out, but eventually the spam and crosstalk and misinformation proved only to cloud the issue, especially since there was no way to verify which accounts were being truthful. Granted, on the internet nobody knows who you are anyway, but it's easier to verify information when you're not required to communicate in 140 characters. At this point, the Twitterstorm about Iran is way, way less informative than most long-form newsfeeds.

I will say that Twitter proved excellent for raising awareness of both the Iran election and Amazonfail, but only because, see above, the newsmedia adores Twitter. Imagine if everyone who tweeted about the Iran election actually had access to, and utilised, 1. accurate information and 2. a platform where they could discuss it with no limits on expression.

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
I have a twitter, but mainly to follow a friend who occasionally posts to LJ but is more likely to respond to an @ on Twitter. (I've followed you, but no obligation to reciprocate: purely for entertainment purposes or general moral support. One of the feeds I follow is reference for an AU I'm supposed to be writing. Which seems to have confused some folk into following me, oh well.)

Date: 2009-07-19 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com
Ahahaha! I should start keeping a list: "Things Sam blames on me."

Date: 2009-07-19 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
I AM THINKING OF STARTING A TAG. :D

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skipthedemon.livejournal.com
I am appearently a Sam addict. Following.

Stupid question, does anyone know what happens when you lock your feed and tweet @ someone you haven't allowed to follow you? Does that go around the lock so that person sees it anyway, or are you wasting your time?

Date: 2009-07-19 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
I should think it would be locked too, considering that the @thing, when you click on it, is really just "search public entries for @me".

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sopdetly.livejournal.com
Of course there is twitter sexing! Remember that people can make their tweets private, so those folks may have done so. In full disclosure, for a time my friends and I had an RPG going on Twitter. It was hard and awesome, and our Remus and Sirius SEXED IT UP LIEK WHOA.

*ahem*

Anyway, I heart Twitter, but I think it works best if you want to be a spazzy idiot with your friends on it, or else you use it as a news/gossip feed. Right now it's annoying me because meme/quiz-makers got a hold of its API and are now making quizzes that auto-post results to people's accounts and it's not always clear and I get spammed by people telling me they're 58% Hetero.

/thoughts on Twitter

Date: 2009-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
People can make ALL their tweets private, or NONE private, but that's about it -- so either you're only broadcasting all of your tweets to the person (or people) you're currently sexing, or your broadcasting sex to your entire private twitter list. RPs are the exception, I suppose, but you're using twitter for a very specific function in that sense. Also, dude, I've tried to read Twitter RPs. Super-ineffective. :D

I...don't usually wish to be a spazzy idiot of any kind, I'm afraid. :D

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] synekdokee.livejournal.com
Despite the fact that I actually follow two Tweets (Neil Gaiman's and David Hewlett's. And, well, apparently you now.), I very much a gree with you. I just don't *get* the damn thing.


Then again, took me ages to "get" FaceBook.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skipthedemon.livejournal.com
I still don't get Facebook. I really it's pretty much Twitter with pictures and quizzes, but it's too busy for me. That and I don't want to spam people with pictures of myself.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melayneseahawk.livejournal.com
You have pretty much encapsulated my issues with twitter.

Though, I must say: sellout!

(Also, I had to use this icon.)

Date: 2009-07-19 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com
I BOWED TO PEER PRESSURE. :D

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterbuns.livejournal.com
I really only use twitter to respond to people who aren't on LJ or FB, and when I have random thoughts, which later (usually) get fleshed out on LJ after

Date: 2009-07-19 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purple-chalk.livejournal.com
Twitter: the only way to get some people (admittedly, myself among them) not to spam their LJ with "I just ate a ham sandwich and it was awesome!"
LoudTwitter: totally defeating the point of it all.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arden-ranger.livejournal.com
I got a Twitter account for the express purpose of following Hugh Jackman.

I am such a fan girl.

Date: 2009-07-19 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bendtothesun.livejournal.com
Oh man, I'm totally going to be a fangirl with you. What's his twitter?

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Date: 2009-07-19 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3goodtimes.livejournal.com
I agree with everything you said.

There are a lot of internet things I don't jive on, but the difference between those and Twitter is that I have to hear about the latter all the damn time. I wish the media would let it go. They're obsessed with it!

Date: 2009-07-19 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horrorwine.livejournal.com
Why I started using Twitter: The cell service at my school is so bad, it's often more conversant to tweet someone than text them.

That being said...I'm still using it now that I'm on break. More people I know at school are on Twitter than LJ. For long things that I need/want commentary on, LJ is still my primary medium. My Tumblr is what I use to post inane shit like adorable puppies and the suchlike. When I want to really talk to someone, I use the phone, Facebook, or, you know FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION. A lost art in our modern age.

And yes, I will now follow you.

Date: 2009-07-19 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamt.livejournal.com
I agree with this post so hard it's making me dizzy! Or ditzy, either way. I can see the appeal of twitter the way one of my friend uses it, to update on how she's doing in a writing progress and such. I signed up when I first heard about it but I never even go there. I also hate it when people put it on their lj. Especially when they put it under a cut! It's the tiniest post ever, I'm not going to click a damn link to read three short sentences! Ack

Date: 2009-07-19 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ojuzu.livejournal.com
Thank you for putting together all the reasons I don't actually use my Twitter account.

*follows you anyway*

Date: 2009-07-19 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edibleflowers.livejournal.com
I still don't quite understand the usefulness or purpose of Twitter but I follow Nathan Fillion and other people I admire on it, so I figured I might as well follow you as well. But then, I have a Myspace that I don't understand either (LJ just makes sense to me, as a website I've been using for nine years will), so I will happily be techno-ignorant in certain cases.
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