I'm off work ill today and have slogged through the whole of this and the Torchwood spin off in one huge go and it was fantastic. I laughed like a loon on so many sections I couldn't possibly pick a couple to select out in the review, the entire thing was wonderful and so ridiculously ambitious that I just love it more.
Oh wow. That was amazing. I love the way you weave in all the different side of canon and fanon, script and prose to give us something wholly different to what I'm used to reading. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
The correct phrase is SQUEE. oh yes. RPS! GDL as Ross! Hugh Laurie as the Doctor! The Flat Holm ep turned into a piece on race! Tennant and Barrowman RPS! Running around in Victorian London! THE PDA!
Oh my god Sam, I believe you may be a god among men. This is brilliance, pure and simple.
Edgar/Ellis was awesome, Lethbridge's whole sub-plot was great, so much love for Owen (both in and out of the Hub) and Ian, and the Real Doctor (I giggled madly at the picture. I pretty much giggled madly throughout though)! And... just. Wow. I thought I had more constructive things to say, but it all just turned into a gush fest.
(Is it weird that I found it easier to replace Billie with Hayden than anyone else?)
Goshdarnit Sam, it is very late and I have to watch small children tomorrow! Your talent is truly terrifying. I started reading, didn't realize there were 7 chapters, and then I got sucked in and couldn't stop...
I am blown away by how lovely this story is. It is also very confusing as John Barrowman is not Jack and Gareth is Ross-The-Hot-UNIT/USPAT-Guy. Oh, and then there's the plot. There are so many wonderful things about this that I'm not sure I could do them justice on the current level of energy that 3am affords me, so I may rant about how amazing everything is in a long post that will have a higher comprehension level than "OMG! Leik Torchwad is being in Chicago now!?". E&E deserve so much more than that!
Thank you for another wonderful story!
P.S. "Ellis gazed down at him. He cut his eyes briefly to the crowd; John, curse the man, was looking on with unadulterated glee. Hayden had a camera out. John made a little shoo-ing motion."
I think one of those was supposed to be Gareth. I could be wrong, but I had to make sure. Gareth gets surly if you cut him out of fics.
Wow man, even for you this was pretty damn fantastic. I expected it to be fun and quirky, which it was. I did not expect it to blow my socks off, which it did. Ellis is, as always, dear to my heart. Fictional RPS is like fat free sour cream or something, guilt free... only it doesn't have the weird, slightly grainy texture.
O.K., I went and read all but the first chapter of this, then realized that I hadn't read the first chapter of it because this isn't the same as Second City Torchwood, so I read the first chapter of this and then finished Second City Torchwood. (Who needs a TARDIS for nonlinear time? Not me!)
Anyway, all that reading and all I can think of to say is "I wish this was real", which everybody else has already said, but. I wish this was real. Including the fanfic, BUT obviously you have a lot on your plate right now (and I'm reading Jack and Ellis now! Woo!) so this isn't a plea. Only, if some time years down the road, you find yourself with the need to write but no story ideas...that Andre/Jack/Ianto and the "Jack's O.K. with the high attrition rate" pre-pilot darkfic? Would be good. ...Or anything else; I'm not picky.
Oh, and in the comments of the Second City Torchwood story notes post?:
Ah, yes. Well. *coughs* The Doctor CAN change his appearance, but can also choose not to, in this 'verse
I just went on a binge of reading it all, over the last two days, and it was incredible! I don't know how you manage this. its not just fic, its a complete redo, with its own fic! and own meta! and wow. I'm just super impressed :D
now i must sleep, for i have work in a few short hours.
Finally got a chance to read this through and it was utterly brilliant! I seriously want both these shows on air right now, with this cast. GDL for Ross is absolutely perfect! And it's so much fun seeing Chicago featured throughout this. All the little shout outs to the city made me excited! I also absolutely adored Tosh's outfit for Something Borrowed.
Clearly you are a genius, and the thing I liked most about Written for the Victors, the extensive alternate universe and sprawling metacommentary about it, is totally trumped. This is the most intricate and well-presented AU or I don't even know what to call it because it's a fictional RPS AU too and it's so real it has its own wank. And there are multiplicitous quotable oddments of ironic greatness. This is all the obvious bits.
However. I love the Torchwood America for its context and the issues you can address with it, even considering the lack of 45-year DW canon backstory trove to draw from. But the AUness and RPF elements, particularly recasting, inhibited my ability to follow the beautimous and tremendiferous arcs because I kept thinking twice anyone spoke in order to visualize them and solidify my expectations for their voices.
So... was Harkness Scottish? Did the Doctor sound American? It's probably a function of my inability to restructure my characterizations after having observed one interpretation, but much of the glee I usually get from your impeccable speech-pattern mimicry was glossed over in favor of squeeing at the interesting OCs. There was subtle mingling of Barrowmanisms and Tennant Whoness, but I couldn't figure out what I wanted. Also, Ross appropriated much of Ianto's awesome, when I managed to perceive it, but I had to reimagine him as a career soldier, which sort of minimizes a lot of the teaboy badassery I've come to associate with dry, babyfaced Gareth. On the other hand, I had an easier time seeing and hearing Hayden as Rose than I did when I tried to imagine Billie Piper doing it.
The casting is brilliant, I do not hesitate to opine; and I'm positive the actors are capable of more than I've seen them do; it's just that I haven't seen them do it and my ability to postulate their reactions in other parts is limited to making them imitate the original, so I have trouble imagining the extremely modified or entirely new episodes, which sidetracks the narrative for me. This is an amazing and possibly revolutionary (though what do I know, since fandom for me consists mostly of you) genre of fic/metafic. I truly adore it, but the amount of face-and-voice-switching intricacy may be beyond my capacity to fully comprehend at this point in my development as a devotee of the fandom.
Also, on further reflection, everything Lethbridge said (since I have seen No Classic Who) was in Sheppard intonations with Sheppard irony. It was a brilliant and awesome choice for the writing you did with him; I have no idea what combination you may have been after, but I was neither confused nor distracted.
For an American version, I totally agree with Hayden P as Rose. I would never have thought of it myself, but of course Sam's brain is Awsum. And I giggled like mad at Hugh Laurie as the Doctor, too.
i spent my evening reading this and it's...i'm...this...wow! u created a world! look! look what u've done! it's a whole world, complete and perfect and shiny and pretty and standing firmly on its feet -or should that be 'revolving firmly on its own course?- and i'm speechless and happy. very very happy to have read this! brilliant!
I love this so much. It's totally awesome, in the real sense of the word, in that it inspires awe. Because wow.
I'd like to be coherent, but I can't - but this is seriously my favourite piece of fan-work ever - not least becaust it redefines some of the parameters of fanworks (as other people have said, it has changed how I view fanwork in general) and altogehter, it is outstanding.
Also, very funny and lovely and exciting, just perfect, just like all your work :D
I don't know that it's entirely unique amongst fan-creation, it's much like Shoebox Project in many respects, but projects like this are rare enough (because they are OMG COMPLICATED TO MAKE :D) that I think people really get a kick out of seeing them. Thanks!
OH. MY. GOD. That was brilliant. So bloody brilliant. I hereby nominate you to take over after Moffat. Now THOSE are the kind of episodes I'd be dying to watch.
I loved all the meta and how you changed things and how you kept them the same. How can you make me want fics and even RPS of a fanfic? That was effing amazing.
WHY DON'T YOU WRITE TV SCRIPTS!!!! This - THIS- is meta of meta of meta! It- just- GAH. AU of AU of FRICKING AU AND I LOVE YOU. I'll come back later when I can form a coherent sentance.
You are fucking crazy, and I thank the universe for that fact. I am so in love with Edgar & Ellis, and their shows, and your brain, and everything about this.
I mean, you cast Joe Flannigan as GDL's dad. That kind of genius doesn't happen on LJ every day, you know?
Okay, this is just so excellent and I am utterly in love with it. Now I have to go read the prequel so I can properly understand what's going on.
Anyway: OMG. Because, Hugh Laurie. And Ellis RPF FTW. And just the sheer unadulterated fandom batshittery of there being such an awesome story for a fandom that only exists inside the writer's head.
I am, as usual, late to the game (er, I had an almost-intruder to the flat and have had to deal with police and have been fingerprinted!!! So that's my excuse), so all I can say is that I echo pretty much everyone else in announcing that Awesome Sam is Awesome. Your casting ideas are inspired, the meta is fantastic, and the way you twist plots and episodes from one series to the other and BACK again is nothing short of pure genius.
My brain is also doing the cognitive dissonance thing with faces and accents and so on for the different actors, but when I realised who you'd cast as Ross I had a genuine *flail* moment.
Sam, you are utterly, UTTERLY, brilliant and I bow before you. Also, I think I must get on with all these other projects so I can make your Gold Dalek. He's going to be a Peruvian cotton Gold Dalek.
I happened to have a flail moment myself when I realised who I ought to cast as Ross, I admit. Though nothing will ever replicate the epic flail when I decided to swap Tennant and Barrowman.
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Date: 2008-07-07 08:40 pm (UTC)Wow, I should really have been working on my history essay. I have to shorten it down from 4,000 words to 2,500...
DID I MENTION HOW AWESOME THIS IS?
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Date: 2008-07-07 10:37 pm (UTC)SQUEEEEE!
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Date: 2008-07-08 06:56 am (UTC)Edgar/Ellis was awesome, Lethbridge's whole sub-plot was great, so much love for Owen (both in and out of the Hub) and Ian, and the Real Doctor (I giggled madly at the picture. I pretty much giggled madly throughout though)! And... just. Wow. I thought I had more constructive things to say, but it all just turned into a gush fest.
(Is it weird that I found it easier to replace Billie with Hayden than anyone else?)
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Date: 2008-07-08 07:07 am (UTC)I am blown away by how lovely this story is. It is also very confusing as John Barrowman is not Jack and Gareth is Ross-The-Hot-UNIT/USPAT-Guy. Oh, and then there's the plot. There are so many wonderful things about this that I'm not sure I could do them justice on the current level of energy that 3am affords me, so I may rant about how amazing everything is in a long post that will have a higher comprehension level than "OMG! Leik Torchwad is being in Chicago now!?". E&E deserve so much more than that!
Thank you for another wonderful story!
P.S. "Ellis gazed down at him. He cut his eyes briefly to the crowd; John, curse the man, was looking on with unadulterated glee. Hayden had a camera out. John made a little shoo-ing motion."
I think one of those was supposed to be Gareth. I could be wrong, but I had to make sure. Gareth gets surly if you cut him out of fics.
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Date: 2008-07-08 11:18 am (UTC)Those were both supposed to be John, but I take your meaning about poor Gareth getting left out -- I'll have to consider it carefully....
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Date: 2008-07-08 09:42 pm (UTC)Ellis is, as always, dear to my heart. Fictional RPS is like fat free sour cream or something, guilt free... only it doesn't have the weird, slightly grainy texture.
And yeah. Narrative is what we use to understand life and stuff around us and whatnot, and this was a pretty good fairytale for life in your Café.
Er.. Thanks.
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Date: 2008-07-08 09:51 pm (UTC)Anyway, all that reading and all I can think of to say is "I wish this was real", which everybody else has already said, but. I wish this was real. Including the fanfic, BUT obviously you have a lot on your plate right now (and I'm reading Jack and Ellis now! Woo!) so this isn't a plea. Only, if some time years down the road, you find yourself with the need to write but no story ideas...that Andre/Jack/Ianto and the "Jack's O.K. with the high attrition rate" pre-pilot darkfic? Would be good. ...Or anything else; I'm not picky.
Oh, and in the comments of the Second City Torchwood story notes post?:
--Um. Nice.
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Date: 2008-07-08 10:24 pm (UTC)To Hell with Barrowman's Doctor. Kill him off in the season premiere and gimme HUGH LAURIE AND ACE OMG.
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Date: 2008-07-09 07:11 am (UTC)this was BRILLIANT.
I just went on a binge of reading it all, over the last two days, and it was incredible! I don't know how you manage this. its not just fic, its a complete redo, with its own fic! and own meta! and wow. I'm just super impressed :D
now i must sleep, for i have work in a few short hours.
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Date: 2008-07-10 02:11 am (UTC)And it's so much fun seeing Chicago featured throughout this. All the little shout outs to the city made me excited! I also absolutely adored Tosh's outfit for Something Borrowed.
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Date: 2008-07-10 04:51 am (UTC)Clearly you are a genius, and the thing I liked most about Written for the Victors, the extensive alternate universe and sprawling metacommentary about it, is totally trumped. This is the most intricate and well-presented AU or I don't even know what to call it because it's a fictional RPS AU too and it's so real it has its own wank. And there are multiplicitous quotable oddments of ironic greatness. This is all the obvious bits.
However. I love the Torchwood America for its context and the issues you can address with it, even considering the lack of 45-year DW canon backstory trove to draw from. But the AUness and RPF elements, particularly recasting, inhibited my ability to follow the beautimous and tremendiferous arcs because I kept thinking twice anyone spoke in order to visualize them and solidify my expectations for their voices.
So... was Harkness Scottish? Did the Doctor sound American? It's probably a function of my inability to restructure my characterizations after having observed one interpretation, but much of the glee I usually get from your impeccable speech-pattern mimicry was glossed over in favor of squeeing at the interesting OCs. There was subtle mingling of Barrowmanisms and Tennant Whoness, but I couldn't figure out what I wanted. Also, Ross appropriated much of Ianto's awesome, when I managed to perceive it, but I had to reimagine him as a career soldier, which sort of minimizes a lot of the teaboy badassery I've come to associate with dry, babyfaced Gareth. On the other hand, I had an easier time seeing and hearing Hayden as Rose than I did when I tried to imagine Billie Piper doing it.
The casting is brilliant, I do not hesitate to opine; and I'm positive the actors are capable of more than I've seen them do; it's just that I haven't seen them do it and my ability to postulate their reactions in other parts is limited to making them imitate the original, so I have trouble imagining the extremely modified or entirely new episodes, which sidetracks the narrative for me. This is an amazing and possibly revolutionary (though what do I know, since fandom for me consists mostly of you) genre of fic/metafic. I truly adore it, but the amount of face-and-voice-switching intricacy may be beyond my capacity to fully comprehend at this point in my development as a devotee of the fandom.
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Date: 2008-07-11 12:08 pm (UTC)I'd like to be coherent, but I can't - but this is seriously my favourite piece of fan-work ever - not least becaust it redefines some of the parameters of fanworks (as other people have said, it has changed how I view fanwork in general) and altogehter, it is outstanding.
Also, very funny and lovely and exciting, just perfect, just like all your work :D
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Date: 2008-07-12 11:18 am (UTC)I loved all the meta and how you changed things and how you kept them the same. How can you make me want fics and even RPS of a fanfic? That was effing amazing.
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Date: 2008-07-13 04:42 am (UTC)You do realize you have created a fandom all its own, right? I expect to see fanfic and RPS and everything written about your tv shows...
OMG
Date: 2008-07-14 05:23 am (UTC)I'll come back later when I can form a coherent sentance.
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Date: 2008-07-15 10:37 am (UTC)I mean, you cast Joe Flannigan as GDL's dad. That kind of genius doesn't happen on LJ every day, you know?
Bless you.
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Date: 2008-07-15 07:57 pm (UTC)Anyway: OMG. Because, Hugh Laurie. And Ellis RPF FTW. And just the sheer unadulterated fandom batshittery of there being such an awesome story for a fandom that only exists inside the writer's head.
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Date: 2008-07-15 09:55 pm (UTC)My brain is also doing the cognitive dissonance thing with faces and accents and so on for the different actors, but when I realised who you'd cast as Ross I had a genuine *flail* moment.
Sam, you are utterly, UTTERLY, brilliant and I bow before you. Also, I think I must get on with all these other projects so I can make your Gold Dalek. He's going to be a Peruvian cotton Gold Dalek.
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Date: 2008-07-16 12:53 am (UTC)I happened to have a flail moment myself when I realised who I ought to cast as Ross, I admit. Though nothing will ever replicate the epic flail when I decided to swap Tennant and Barrowman.
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